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Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.03.15 18:19:00 - [1] Tier 2 Destroyers: Bigger damage/optimal bonus per level 2 extra mid slots 2 extra low slots Discuss [I'm not even sure if this is allowed, but oh well, seemed an interesting topic. Maybe Tier 3 Battlecruisers aswell?] _____________________________ "So what do you need, besides a miracle?" "Guns... Lots of guns"
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.03.15 18:37:00 - [2] Originally by: Malcanis He said Tier, not tech. Thankyou _____________________________ "So what do you need, besides a miracle?" "Guns... Lots of guns"
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.03.15 23:20:00 - [3] Originally by: Bronson Hughes Edited by: Bronson Hughes on 15/03/2008 20:04:43 Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow Tier 2 Destroyers: Bigger damage/optimal bonus per level 2 extra mid slots 2 extra low slots Personally, I would add one mid or low slot to existing destroyers and then one more to the Tier 2 hulls. Going up one Tier and gaining 4 slots is way too powerful. But I wouldn't make them all gun snipers like the Tier 1 hulls, I'd make them have more of the racial flavor: missiles for Caldari, drones or blasters for Gallente, lasers and projectiles/missiles for Amarr and Minmatar. They would serve the same purpose as Tier 1 destroyers (i.e. long range anti-frigate platform), but with a tad more variety. And some more oomph. I like that idea. _____________________________ "So what do you need, besides a miracle?" "Guns... Lots of guns"
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.03.15 23:22:00 - [4] Edited by: Thorek Ironbrow on 15/03/2008 23:26:17 Originally by: sov68n Well a Tier 2 Dessie shouldn't just be a bigger badder gunship. As with all ship classes, the different tiers have different roles and abilities. For example, Caldari Tier 1 BS, the Scorpion, is an ECM ship. The Caldari Tier 2 BS, the Raven, is a Heavy Missile Boat, and the Caldari Tier 3 BS, the Rokh, is a Heavy Hybrid Turret Boat. What I would suggest for Tier 2 Destroyers, is perhaps something that instead of being specialized to shoot frigates (as normal dessies are), they can take on cruisers, but will have a hard time tracking Frigates. They'll still be thin as paper, but will have a better chance at doing damage to larger ships. Maybe this: The Liberator Class Destroyer (Caldari Tier 2) DESCRIPTION After realizing the need for a fast cheap ship capable of taking down the cruiser class vessels of Guristas Pirates, The Caldari navy released the design specs for the 'Liberator' destroyer. 10% bonus to Standard Missile Damage per level Role Penalty: -25% to Missile Explosion velocity FITTING High Slots: 6 Medium Slots: 5 Low Slots: 2 -Launcher Hardpoints: 6 -Turret Hardpoints: 3 Upgrade Hardpoints: 3 Powergrid Output: 67Mw CPU Output: 240tf Calibration: 300 ATTRIBUTES (Standard Resists) SHIELD Shield Capacity: 821 Shield Recharge Time: 650.00sec ARMOR Armor Hitpoints: 714 STRUCTURE Max Velocity: 185m/s Drone Capacity: 0m3 Cargo Capacity: 550m3 Mass: 2100000kg Volume: 53,000m3 (5,100m3 packaged) CAPACITOR Capacitor Capacity: 650 Recharge Time: 350sec TARGETING Maximum Targeting Range: 45km Gravimetric Sensor Strength: 14 Signature Radius: 100m Scan Resolution: 325mm MISC Inertia Modifier: 3.7 Magpulse Propulsion Strength: 5.5 Tech Level: 1 critique the hell out of that please I also like that idea, since it's pretty similar. Another thing you could do, to keep inline with the Caldari naming system, is to name it after a bird. I like the sound of a "Gull". Maybe Spacegull instead of a seagull really. _____________________________ "So what do you need, besides a miracle?" "Guns... Lots of guns"
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.03.15 23:37:00 - [5] Originally by: Charlie Chaplin How about making it similar to a Stealth Bomber, that is it can fit oversized guns. I don't know if that's sarcastic or not, but I'm assuming it's not. I think it would look a bit odd, because the Tier 2 Destroyer is going to be almost the same size as a Tier one, maybe a big bigger, but not as big as a Cruiser. So fitting medium guns on it would look willy wee todd did. _____________________________ "So what do you need, besides a miracle?" "Guns... Lots of guns"
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.03.15 23:45:00 - [6] Probably something like 5% speed and 5% Projectile RoF per level. And no RoF penalty like on the Thrasher. _____________________________ "So what do you need, besides a miracle?" "Guns... Lots of guns"
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.03.15 23:47:00 - [7] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Charlie Chaplin How about making it similar to a Stealth Bomber, that is it can fit oversized guns. That would be an interesting idea for the T2 version, but you'd have to limit it to cruiser-size weapons are the stealthbombers would be obseleted overnight. But a surprise uncloaking 3x damage-bonused 200mm gank could ruin many an inty pilot's day... or 4x range-bonused to fit in with the destroyer ethos better. yeah, I quite like that idea. When you put it like that, why not instead of standart missiles, have 7/6 Heavy missile launchers on the Cormorant. It would probably have a bonus like 90% reduction to Heavy Missile Launcher CPU and PG needs. I think if it had that, along with an extra mid and low slot, it should definetly be able to tank other frigates and dessies at least. _____________________________ "So what do you need, besides a miracle?" "Guns... Lots of guns"
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.03.16 17:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Can I get a Corm with the ability to fit 8 Standard Launchers? and a BCU or two? Pretty please? dreams of instapopping inties QFT _____________________________ "So what do you need, besides a miracle?" "Guns... Lots of guns"
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.03.16 18:43:00 - [9] The biggest thing that could possibly happen to a t2 Destroyer is for the 25% RoF penalty to be taken away. Would make AC and Blaster Dessies lethal. More lethal, I mean. _____________________________ "So what do you need, besides a miracle?" "Guns... Lots of guns"
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.03.16 18:46:00 - [10] Originally by: orangeFool And please, no "heavy destroyers" or "assault destroyers". I'd like something else, like "pursuit destroyer" or "hunter". Or "guardian". Just my thoughts. What would the hunter do? And what would the guardian do? I remember one suggestion was to make the tier 2 version an anti-cloak ship. I personally would prefer Heavy Destroyers. Give them more PG and CPU so that they can have a good tank and still output as much DPS as a tier 1. _____________________________ "So what do you need, besides a miracle?" "Guns... Lots of guns"

Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.03.17 15:53:00 - [11] Originally by: orangeFool Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow Also, they sound more like names for tech 2 Destroyers, which isn't a bad idea, since not many people go to 0.0, and there for have no need for Interdictors. Ack i reconsidered my post and it is more tech 2 than tier 2. I want both - I like destroyers a lot! Same, that's why I posted this thread! Still though, you could carry on your suggestion, I want to hear it. _____________________________ "So what do you need, besides a miracle?" "Guns... Lots of guns"
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.03.17 16:21:00 - [12] Am I allowed to bump threads on this forum, or is it spam? I guess it's spam, but oh well. _____________________________ "So what do you need, besides a miracle?" "Guns... Lots of guns"
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.03.18 18:58:00 - [13] I've read over some of the posts, and my opinion has kept at what it was on the first page, race specific bonuses (mainly to tanking). Add +1 mid and low slots to all t2 Destroyers. Give the t2 Cormorant a boost to shield HP to near cruiser shield, but don't increase it's sig rad. Maybe increase optimal range boost per level. Give the t2 Thrasher have more speed and tracking bonuses. Give the t2 Coercer more DPS (? I don't know, never really flown Amarr, don't know what they're all about except raw DPS and their supposed to have the best armour tank) Give the t2 Catalyst a bigger drone bay and bandwidth (25 M^3, 25 bandwidth). Maybe add a damage bonus too. _____________________________ "So what do you need, besides a miracle?" "Guns... Lots of guns"
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.03.18 19:00:00 - [14] Originally by: Cpt Branko Imo, the roles for T1 destroyers which would make sense would be: -Long range anti-frigate sniper (Tier 1, current) -Short range anti-small ship/drone fighter (new Tier 2, +1 slot, better speed/agility, somewhat less PG for fitting long-range guns) Also this is something to consider. _____________________________ "So what do you need, besides a miracle?" "Guns... Lots of guns"
Thorek Ironbrow	Posted - 2008.03.21 20:00:00 - [15] Tier 2 Destroyers would be so awesome. _____________________________ "So what do you need, besides a miracle?" "Guns... Lots of guns"

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